BIG HONOR: Georgia Gwinnett College’s Athletic Director Darin Wilson has been named the Under Armour Athletics Director of the Year by the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics. This is the second time he’s won such an award. For more, read at Notable below.
ISSUE 15.13 | May 15, 2015IN THIS ISSUE:
TODAY’S FOCUS: Onion Man Returns To Norcross with More Short Plays
EEB PERSPECTIVE: A Company As Smart As Apple Ought To Do Better Than This
ANOTHER VIEW: Why Do Southerners Vote Against Their Own Interest?
FEEDBACK: From Mass Transit, to Editing in Today’s Media, To Pro Sports’ Dangers
UPCOMING: Suwanee Arts in the Park Festival Coming on Saturday
NOTABLE: Georgia Gwinnett College’s Wilson Wins Athletic Director of the Year
GEORGIA TIDBIT: Grand Bay Wetland Center near Valdosta Second Largest in State
TODAY’S QUOTE: More About Roe vs. Wade
MYSTERY PHOTO: The Forum Had a Stumper Again
Onion Man Productions stages 7th year of short plays in Norcross
By James Beck
NORCROSS, Ga., May 15, 2015 — This is the seventh year Onion Man Productions will stage a collection of 10-minute plays at Lionheart Theatre in Norcross. Since January 2009, Onion Man has produced 65 new plays by Georgia playwrights, resulting in 51 directing opportunities and 181 paid roles for actors.
And in this seventh year we will add 12 more plays by local playwrights, five directors and 25 actors to our numbers.
Here’s information on this year’s productions.
Summer Harvest 2015, Inside Out is a collection of 10-minute plays that explore inside of attics and out on rooftops. The shows will run from May 28 to June 7, on Thursday, Friday and Saturdays. Plays begin at 7:30 p.m., with additional plays on Sunday at 3 p.m. Lionheart Theatre is at 10 College Street in Norcross. Tickets are $16,with a cost of $14 for seniors (50+) or students. More info at www.onionmanproductions.com.
The plays to be presented include:
Jasper Alabaster and the Drano Disaster by Jeremy Clark. This includes zombie farm animals, the Dukes of Hazzard and a crazed poodle bring a marriage to the breaking point.
The Amber Light by Adelle Drahos. Adler struggles to finish her trilogy, but with the help of an old friend, she slowly finds the words that will move her to The End.
The Crackling Rainbow Comet by Laura King. As Guy and Amber wait for their favorite Fourth of July firework, the Crackling Rainbow Comet, the question of independence lingers in the night air.
Diaper Relay by Natasha Patel. No other event brings out a woman’s best and worse than the often compulsory, but celebratory baby shower.
Enraptured by David Allan Dodson. “Dear Lord, I sincerely hope you’re coming, ’cause you’ve really started something,” says Elvis Costello.
A Ghost for Myrtle by Daniel Carter Brown. Nellie has found a unique solution to her own homelessness. She has taken up residence in an elderly lady’s attic and is pretending to be a ghost.
How Penny Got Her Pep Back by Laura King. The Howard High Horned Toad has stolen Penny’s pep. Can she get it back before the Homecoming assembly?
Love’s Letters Lost by Brenda Rawls. Past loves are often boxed and packed away, but still have life. Peter and Alice do some unpacking.
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On Saturdays, May 30 and June 6, both at 4:30 p.m. a second collection of four 10-minute plays that explore outside on rooftops and inside attics called, Outside In! Tickets for this second show are $6.
Plays included in this presentation are:
In Memory by Justin Beaudrot. Richard tries to find the camera that will, for him, bring his family together.
To Hell and Back by Emmy Dixon. On the rooftop of an abandoned mental asylum, childhood friends Katie and Dylan do battle over the loss of a brother and friend.
Jewish Santa on the Roof by Lynnda Harris. A teenager challenges the family’s belief in their Jewish faith while Dad is on the roof decorating for Christmas.
In boxes by Daniel Carter Brown. Misty is clearing her belongings out of her ex-husband’s house when she finds a slew of her things he had hidden away in the attic.
EEB PERSPECTIVEApple requires me to buy something I already have and don’t need
By Elliott Brack, editor and publisher
MAY 15, 2015 — Rant time, about an everyday product.
Apple products are fun to use. My Apple computers are easy to operate and most reliable. They make my day happy because they are relatively easy to use. Though I am not proficient on it, I have also enjoyed my short-term operation of the iPhone produced by Apple.
Yet an incident the other day made me a little sour about Apple as a company.
You see, the computer told me my rechargeable batteries for my wireless mouse was running low. When that happens, all it takes is to remove the batteries, replace them with recently-charged ones, and then put the running-low-of-charge batteries in an Apple-supplied recharger. By next morning, the re-charger has done its work, and we have two recharged batteries awaiting service when we need them.
When you buy an Apple Mac computer, you can buy the recharging unit for $30, which comes with six Apple batteries. However, they tell you that while you can recharge multiple times, eventually the batteries can no longer get a charge of electricity.
We’re OK with that.
That is, until two of your batteries are pronounced dead, worn out from recharging, and you need to purchase some more batteries.
Guess what?
You can’t buy Apple rechargeable batteries alone. That’s all I need, some more batteries, since plugging in the recharger works well. I only need batteries.
You see, to buy new Apple batteries, you must also buy the recharging unit. But my recharging unit still works fine, and I don’t need it. All I need is more Apple batteries.
No way.
New Apple batteries only come with another recharger. The total cost is $30 for the six batteries and recharger.
Somehow this sets against the grain to me, for Apple to require me to buy something I don’t need, to go along with the new batteries which I do need. Call it frugal, stingy, parsimonious, or what. But what do I need with a second recharger? (Actually, it’s a third recharger, since not only do I have a battery recharger at work, but also have one at home for my Apple computer there.) I guess that someday when my home Apple batteries stop working, I may have to buy more Apple batteries, and the only way I could do that would become the proud owner of an unnecessary third Apple recharger.
Tell you what all this does. It makes me check the price of the cost of one-time-use AA batteries that don’t recharge. After all, throw-away batteries will work in both the wireless Apple mouse and wireless Apple keyboard.
The way I buy AA batteries, in packets of 40, the cost is 37.5 cents a battery, or $14.99. So I could re-energize the mouse or keyboard 20 times for $14.99, and toss the dead batteries. Hmmm. Remember there’s the hefty $30 upfront cost for Apple’s six batteries and the extra recharger, I would never use. Even if I bought 80 non-Apple throw-away batteries…..it would only cost $30.
I may do that just for spite, because of this backward Apple policy, of not selling batteries alone. That’ll show them.
Here’s a chance to buy a fourth-from-last Gwinnett history
Only four copies of the Gwinnett: A Little Above Atlanta history remain from the second printing.
That book is now under auction, with the starting price of $60. The Salvation Army benefits from this auction. Persons interested in placing a bid for this copy should send in their bid before May 21.The bidding will close that day at 10 a.m. Bidders will be kept up to date of the action in the bidding. Those having interest should send in your bid to elliott@brack.net.
Another auction will be held next week, with that book’s minimum bid starting at $80.
ANOTHER VIEWWhy do Southern white men vote against their own self-interest?
By George Wilson
MAY 15, 2015 — Why have Southerners, and particularly Southern white men, consistently voted against their own self interest and against progressive legislation?
First, let’s look at some facts:
- Today, the five states that have no minimum wage laws; were Confederate 150 years ago.
- The ten states that lock up the highest proportion of their citizens, seven were Confederate. Two states that make the top ten-Oklahoma and Arizona -were settled by southerners.
- In 12 states most residents think abortion should be illegal in all or most cases five of these states were in the Confederacy?
- The states that have not expanded Medicaid under Obama care are mostly located in the old Confederacy.
Some politicians embraced a right-wing brand of “populism”, picturing government, rather than large businesses, as the villain. This also played the Southern white male against blacks in their quest for jobs. It is also used effectively to keep unions out and wages low in the south. Four Southern states have unemployment among the worst in the nation
On same sex marriage, here again the South stands out as strongly opposed to this effort to achieve this freedom.
Finally, the area that stands out as the most religious is the South. Utah is the only non-Southern state where church attendance is as high as in Dixie. Here are two theories that account for the conservatism in the south that borders on the reactionary and they originate with the civil war.
Religion offers an explanation of Southern exceptionalism and conservative values voters. It goes back to the Protestant sects split during the Civil War. The northern branch opposed slavery and the Southern branches did not. Furthermore, after the war, mass immigrations occurred up north with Jews, Catholics, and non-believers. Because this did not occur in the South, churches in the South could hold more traditional views without the need to accommodate other religions. These beliefs today reflect to the rest of the country a resistance to modernity and are not accepted by the rest of the nation.
The second explanation for the antipathy towards the Federal Government may be connected to the loss of a quarter of all white male southerners aged 16 to 45, maimed or killed (600,000) in a war against it. The equivalent death toll today would be six million.
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Commuter rail would get Gwinnett into better position faster
Editor, the Forum:
The other day you mentioned light rail, including streetcars (which is almost the only category of light rail,) heavy rail (subways) but you failed to mention the most obvious and possibly the fastest mode to implement, which is commuter rail.
For either light or heavy rail, right of way must be purchased (or condemned), graded, and tracks built. This takes years.
For commuter rail, the rights of way and tracks already exist. They must be modified to accommodate commuter trains, and their owners, Norfolk Southern and CSX, must be compensated. I suspect that, overall, commuter rail would be both faster, and less expensive, to implement than either light or heavy rail. And I suspect that it would be used more than either one.
Light rail, streetcars, are usually painfully slow, stopping every block or so. Also, as usually constructed, they don’t take traffic off the streets – and in Atlanta’s case, certainly not off the Interstate, but they actually cause additional congestion.
Toronto’s moved to rail rapid transit because of the “choking” of the city by its own traffic? They’ve had “GO Trains,” for Government of Ontario, for years.
I totally agree that we, and by that I mean Metro Atlanta in toto, not just Gwinnett County, desperately need something to get traffic off the Interstates, and surface streets, for that matter. I feel, however, that commuter rail would be the quickest and least expensive to implement.
— Robert Hanson, Loganville
Gets upset with lack of editing he sees in many publications
Editor, the Forum:
Have you noticed the dismal editing/proofing of stories, in general, in newspapers these days before they are published? There seems to be NO editing going on, before stories are published. In this day of “instant news,” are we sacrificing proper English, AP style and overall good grammar, for the sake of speedy news?
Just wondering if you’ve noticed this trend as much as I have.
— Craig Heighton, Hamilton Mill
Yep, Craig: You hit the nail on the head. Today it’s not just former English teachers, but also many of us who did not major in English, who are recognizing the improper sentence structure, poor use of English, and improper punctuation in newspapers (and certainly on the Internet and other devices.) One way some media edit stories now, one which sends me up the wall, is by “peer review.” In other words, someone who sits next to you reads your stories, and you read theirs for “editing.” Problem may be that the guy who sits next to you has been around here for only a few weeks, and not only may not be a good editor, but doesn’t know local history ordoesn’t know the geography, either, and may allow your errors to slip through. Many do, sadly. –eeb
What would old-time pro sports players think of today’s games?
Editor, the Forum:
I wonder what Bronko Nagurski, Les Bingaman and those gents of pro football’s earlier days would say about the deflated football fiasco. At age 74 I can remember when sports coverage was sparse.
It still amazes me when I look at the primitive football gear of the 1940s and realize we had developed the atomic bomb around the same time. Hockey players had no helmets at all and could easily hit the ice head first at great speed. I cringe when I think about sports injuries. I still think about line drives coming back at the unprotected pitcher. Maybe I worry too much ?
— Marshall Miller, Lilburn
Dear Marshall: You may worry too much, but some items are obvious. –eeb
UPCOMINGSuwanee plans Arts in the Park Festival at Town Center Saturday
The North Gwinnett Arts Association (NGAA) is making bold, colorful promises about its May 16 Arts in the Park festival. Attendance at the annual festival, which will be take place from 10 a.m.-5 p.m. at Town Center Park, is free.
Arts in the Park will feature the work of about 50 juried artists, showcase onsite artist demos, encourage several create-it-yourself community art projects, and include music and food. Also, the 2015-17 Suwanee SculpTour, a walkable public art encounter, will be officially unveiled at the festival and a public art piece will be created on-site during the festival.
Vicki Johnson, the NGAA president, says: “Today’s society is such a fast-moving one. It seems that we are always in a hurry and don’t take the time to really stop and appreciate what is around us. Arts in the Park gives our community that time to slow down and take a good look at what people just like them have been able to create.”
A chalk walk competition, open to elementary, middle, and high school students, will be from 10 a.m.-3 p.m. with winners announced at 4 p.m. In addition, professional street artists will create long-lasting 3D chalk drawings around Town Center Park.
Other community art activities include paint-a-wreck, create a (Jackson) Pollock-like painting, and do-it-yourself tie-dye shirts. Proceeds will benefit the Rosemary Benavides Williams Student Art Scholarship and support art initiatives set forth by the North Gwinnett Arts Association. For additional details about Arts in the Park, visit suwaneeartsinthepark.com.
Parks system offers several family fitness events on May 16
Children nationwide and in Gwinnett County will take part in a grassroots movement to discover America’s parks through play on Saturday, May 16. This commemorates National Park Trust’s (NPT) fifth annual Kids to Parks Day. At a time when the obesity epidemic touches nearly one in three children, communities are witnessing skyrocketing rates of high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes and elevated cholesterol levels in children. Gwinnett County Parks and Recreation encourages residents to use Kids to Parks Day as the first of many days spent outdoors, at local parks and recreation sites, to develop more active, healthy lifestyles.
Among the free family events are:
* Kicks for Parks will be at Pinckneyville Park Community Recreation Center from 10 a.m. until 10:45 a.m. and will feature demonstration of skills and a mini Karate class on the lawn. The park is located at 4650 Peachtree Industrial Boulevard, Berkeley Lake. For more information call 678-277-0920.
* Popcorn and Cornhole will be at Bogan Park from 11 a.m. until 1 p.m. and will offer popcorn and competitive games. Bogan Park is located at 2723 North Bogan, Buford. For more information call 678-277-0850.
* Chalk It Up will be at George Pierce Park Community Recreation Center from 2 p.m. until 4 p.m. with a sidewalk chalk contest, face painting, giant connect four, hopscotch and other old fashioned games. The park is located at 55 Buford Highway, Suwanee. For more information call 770-277-0910.
* (Grand) Kids to Park Day will be at Rhodes Jordan Park playground from 2 p.m. until 4 p.m. with a bounce house, face painting and music. Enjoy games of Tug of War, giant connect, giant checkers and more. The park is located at 100 East Crogan Street, Lawrenceville. For more information call 678-277-0890.
* Spring Break Out wellness festival will be at Rhodes Jordan Park at 5 p.m. featuring healthcare professionals, fitness demos, inflatables, food trucks, movie on the lawn, and the famous 3K Glow Run at 8 p.m. The park is located at 100 East Crogan Street, Lawrenceville. For more information or to register for the Glow Run call 678-277-0890.
Aurora Theater Summer Program for kids to run from May 28-June 24
Aurora Theatre presents the best child performers in the region, bringing them to Gwinnett County for the Aurora Children’s Playhouse, May 28- June 24. The summer performances feature five acts and will be held on Wednesdays and Thursdays at 10 a.m. and 11:30 a.m., with a Thursday performance opportunity on May 28. Aurora Children’s Playhouse: Summer Edition welcomes local families to attend and offers special bus-in group rates for churches, camps and daycare organizations.
On Thursday, May 28, the Summer Edition kicks off with a special Thursday performance with Juggler Ron Anglin and his Heroes I Have Known juggling show.
On Thursday, June 4, BlackTop Playground with Improv Comedy for Kids provides audiences with a treat. The BlackTop Improv Group is comprised of internationally known comedians that have appeared on BET, HBO and Comedy Central. Much of the BlackTop success comes from these fellows having a childlike sense of humor!
Big Thinkers Science Exploration returns on Wednesday, June 10. It’s a bird, it’s a plane – it’s SCIENCE! Join the Big Thinkers on stage to explore the properties of air, pressure and flight in this presentation.
The amazing Arthur Atsma returns for a fourth summer with his mega-hit Camp Aurora Magic Show on Wednesday, June 17. Atsma will amaze and amuse folks of all ages with a show filled with captivating sleight-of-hand magic, audience interaction and comedy.
In Aurora Children’s Playhouse: Summer Edition’s grand finale The Atlanta Shakespeare Company presents Shakespeare-4-Kids: Dream Scheme by Erin Hurley Sheffield with music by Andrew Kane. This is a fun (sometimes wacky) take on A Midsummer Night’s Dream, designed for kids ages 5 and up.
- For more information, visit http://www.auroratheatre.com/education/childrens-playhouse/. Tickets are $7 per person and can be purchased online at www.auroratheatre.com, or by calling the Box Office at 678-226-6222.
22nd annual Memorial Day in Dacula kicks off at 10 a.m.
The 22nd annual Memorial Day parade in Dacula, a Gwinnett tradition, starts at 10 a.m. on Monday, May 25. The Grand Marshal this year is Capt. Charles G. Mitchell, a U.S. Army veteran of both World War II and the Korean War. Mr. Mitchell now lives in Lawrenceville. Anticipation is that there will be more than 100 units in the parade.
Theme of the 2015 parade is “They Gave Their Lives To Protect Their Country.”
Among the features this year will be a C-130 Flyover by members of the 94th Airlift Wing and the 700th Airlift Squadron at Dobbins Air Base in Marietta.
Marvin Atherton of Dacula, who had the vision for the parade in 1993 when it was started says: “We invite you to come experience and be a part of this exciting, touching, and heartwarming tribute to the men and women who have answered their nation’s call and gave their lives so that others may live in freedom. This parade honors and remembers those who put their lives on the line for their country and those who gave the ultimate sacrifice for the rights and privileges we have today.”
The parade will assemble at near Hebron Baptist Church, with the parade moving down Dacula Road, and then through Dacula, and ends at the high school.
Prior to the parade, the 20th annual one mile fun run and 5K run will be held, starting at 7:45 a.m. and 8:30 a.m. respectively. For information on this, go to http://www.daculamemorialday.com/run2015.htm.
NOTABLEGGC’s Wilson wins honor as Athletic Director of the Year
For the second time in his career and the first time since founding the intercollegiate athletics program at Georgia Gwinnett College, Dr. Darin S. Wilson has been named Under Armour Athletics Director of the Year. The announcement was made by the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics (NACDA) on Tuesday.
Wilson, GGC’s inaugural director of athletics, has guided the Grizzlies to an incredibly successful start since founding the program in August 2011. Wilson is one of four National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA) recipients of the 2014-15 award, which annually honors athletics directors from each level of collegiate athletics. Wilson earned the same recognition from both NACDA and the NAIA previously during his time at Union College in Kentucky.
In his short time leading Grizzly Athletics, Wilson’s drive for an unparalleled student-athlete experience has resulted in major success, highlighted by a pair of NAIA national championships and three conference titles in GGC’s first-ever year of postseason eligibility in 2013-14. That success has carried over into the 2014-15 academic year as five of GGC’s six sports are currently ranked in the NAIA Top 25, with three spending time at No. 1.
Currently, all four of Georgia Gwinnett’s spring sports teams are competing for a 2015 national championship. Overall, GGC’s six teams hold a .719 winning percentage since the program began in fall 2012.
RECOMMENDEDAn invitation: what books, restaurants, movies or web sites have you enjoyed recently? Send us your recent selection, along with a short paragraph (100 words) as to why you liked this, plus what you plan to visit or read next. –eeb
GEORGIA ENCYCLOPEDIA TIDBITGrand Bay Wetland Center near Valdosta second largest in state
The Robert Patten Grand Bay Wetland Education Center, located ten miles north of Valdosta in Lowndes County, teaches and demonstrates the complex ecological relationships between plants and animals. A partnership between the Georgia Department of Natural Resources and the Coastal Plains Regional Educational Service Agency, the center concentrates on the contributions of a functioning wetlands ecosystem to a healthy natural environment. Its educational activities, including guided trips into the Grand Bay Wetland; working with live mammals and amphibians and reptiles; and interactive ecological experiments, correlate with the state of Georgia’s curriculum standards.
Approximately 6,500 schoolchildren visit the center annually. The center also offers to the public an interpretative experience of the Grand Bay Wildlife Management Area, which includes the 18,000-acre Grand Bay/Banks Lake ecosystem. The size of the Grand Bay ecosystem is second in Georgia only to the Okefenokee Swamp, the largest wetland in the state and one of the largest in the Southeast. Like the Okefenokee, Grand Bay offers many plant communities, including upland longleaf and slash pine flatwoods, cypress and gum swamps, savannahs, and various shrub bogs.
Interpretive experiences include access to the wetland along a half-mile boardwalk, which ends at the Kinderlou Tower, a gift of local businessman Harley Langdale Jr. This structure, once a fire tower that overlooked Langdale Forest Products’ timberland, has been modified to allow observation of Grand Bay’s plant and animal life. The boardwalk takes the visitor through many features of the wetland, beginning with a wet savannah and coursing through shrub bogs, a black gum/cypress pond, and a prairie with various herbaceous plant communities.
In a separate area, visitors may fish, launch canoes along a maintained canoe trail (which also ends at the tower), and hike or bicycle along the Longleaf Pine Flatwoods Trail. Seasonal hunting is allowed in designated areas.
Grand Bay is a designated site on the Southern Rivers Birding Trail, which spans the Piedmont and Coastal Plain regions of Georgia and terminates in the state’s wetlands. There are 30 sites for observing birds along the entire birding trail. Within Grand Bay, visitors may observe egrets, hawks, herons, owls, song birds, white ibis, woodpeckers, and wood storks. Alligators, deer, otters, and various species of frogs, turtles, and snakes are also common to the wetland.
The larger Grand Bay ecosystem contains four so-called Carolina Bays, an unusual feature of the Coastal Plain of Georgia. Oval in shape, these peat-tilled, relatively shallow depressions always lie in a northeast to southeast direction. Their origins are unknown. Native plants common to Carolina Bays—such as fetterbush and pitcher plants—are well adapted to acidic conditions.
The ecological and recreational features of Grand Bay were not always so appreciated. Around 1900, a steam-powered sawmill began operations on the east side of Banks Lake, located just outside of the town now known as Lakeland. In 1901 the sawmill owner constructed a rail line into the swamp and began extensive logging of cypress trees. From 1908 until 1918 the Barney Smith Car Company operated this mill and used the cypress to build railroad cars. (A remnant of the logging era—a 607-year-old cypress log—is on view at Grand Bay’s nature center.) Also, as late as the 1930s, local farmers grazed cattle in parts of Grand Bay during dry seasons.
Since 1988, the M.A.R.S.H. Project, a partnership between the Georgia Department of Natural Resources, Ducks Unlimited, Moody Air Force Base, and local landowners, has allowed for the ongoing restoration and maintenance of this wetland. As a result, Grand Bay has become a regional nesting site for wood ducks, with more than 850 wood-duck boxes in annual use. Grand Bay also serves as the winter home of migratory sandhill cranes, as well as the year-round home to some crane populations.
- To access the Georgia Encyclopedia online, go to http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org
Find clues embedded in photo
CLUE: There are clues in this photo which might tell you the answer about where this photo came from. So take a guess and send your answer to elliott@brack.net and be sure to tell us where you live.
There were no winners in spotting last week’s Mystery Photo, as the entire readership of GwinnettForum “struck out.” The photo came from Ross Lenhart of Pawley’s Island, S.C., and was of a street just outside the walled city of Avignon, France. One of the guesses was that it was outside the Vatican in Rome, and that was about the closest any of the answers came. The photo even was not identified by the Forum Guessing Regulars of Ruthy Lachman Paul, Bob Foreman, Susan McBrayer and Karen Burnette Garner. So it was quite a stunner. Thanks, Ross!
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